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Каким он здесь представлен исполином! Какие плечи! что за Геркулес!.. А сам покойник мал был и щедушен, Здесь, став на цыпочки, не мог бы руку До своего он носу дотянуть. Когда за подворотней мы сошлись, Наткнулся мне на ножик он и замер, Как на булавке стрекоза - а был Он горд и смел - и дух имел зловонный...
The Telegraph: Россия приближается к сокрушительной победе https://topwar.ru/232048-the-telegraph-rossija-priblizhaetsja-k-sokrushitelnoj-pobede.html В западной прессе появляется все больше материалов, в которых журналисты и военные эксперты выражают мнение о бесперспективности дальнейших попыток Киева одержать военную победу над Россией. При этом авторы статей предупреждают о крайне тяжелом положении, в которое могут попасть союзники Украины. Аналогичный материал недавно вышел в британской газете The Telegraph. При этом заголовок говорит сам за себя: «Путинская Россия приближается к сокрушительной победе. Устои Европы дрожат». Автор статьи - британский лорд Дэниэль Ханнан констатирует, что контрнаступление ВСУ, на которое так рассчитывали союзники Киева, включая Британию, полностью провалилось из-за того, что российские войска успели выстроить надежную линию обороны. В итоге, сегодня военные технологии благоприятствуют обороняющимся. Как и в 1914 году, по всей длине фронта, от дельты Днепра до российской границы, проходит укрепленная линия - пишет Ханнан. Эксперт подчеркивает, что союзники Украины, несмотря на неучастие в конфликте, довольно сильно в него «вложились». Поэтому, победа России в текущем противостоянии, в том числе, очень сильно ударит по репутации коллективного Запада. Более того, автор считает, что любое перемирие, заключенное на условиях России, станет катастрофическим для НАТО, продемонстрировав всему миру неспособность альянса спасти страну, которую обязались защищать два его самых могущественных члена, США и Великобритания.
Millions of tons of grain to feed the world's hungry shipped out via Snake Island
Back in October I cautiously suggested that the tide was turning in the battle for the Black Sea and that Russia, hit repeatedly by innovative and daring attacks, was then withdrawing ships ever further east in an uncoordinated and undignified manner.
Two months later, and with something approaching freedom of navigation for commercial shipping restored in the western Black Sea, it is possible to point to this as a fairly major success story in an otherwise attritional conflict.
Ukraine has mixed up its tactics well. ‘Normal’ anti-ship missiles, cruise missiles, special forces and maritime drones have all been used to keep the Russian Navy guessing.
There have been notable successes along the way with perhaps the most totemic being the sinking of the Black Sea flagship Moskva on 14 April 2022. Putting up a drone to track and distract Moskva worked so well, the position of the ship’s fire control radars as she sank suggests the Russians may not have seen the actual missiles coming at all.
October 2022 saw the first multiple unmanned attack with both air and sea drones surging into Sevastopol and damaging the Admiral Makarov.
In September this year, Sevastopol was hit again. Ukrainian special forces took out Russian S400 air defence radars, allowing UK-supplied Storm Shadow missiles to hit and damage a Kilo-class submarine, an amphibious craft and the dry docks in which they were berthed. Shortly after, the headquarters to which the leadership had retreated was hit, killing 33.
This forced many Russian vessels to leave Sevastopol and relocate to Novorossiysk in pre-2014 Russia. A ship is a web of networked logistics that reaches far inland. You can’t just leave all this behind without disruption. What I can only imagine were embarrassing discussions were then held about building an entirely new base in Georgia. British Armed Forces Minister James Heappey described it ‘the functional defeat of the Black Sea Fleet’. Attacks continued using French supplied SCALP missiles (SCALP and Storm Shadow are the same weapon under different names – a lightly updated version of the 1980s French APACHE runway-buster fitted with a British bunker-buster warhead). Early last month, a SCALP strike damaged one of Russia’s newest Kalibr cruise missile firing corvettes, the Askold, and also the infrastructure in which she was being built.
Having been forced back, Russia is now having to expend significant resources in providing layered defence to stop the waves of attacks. On 10 November this failed when two more ships were sunk in Chornomorske, Crimea, this time by Magura V5 drone boats. The Russians saw them coming and fired plenty of rounds at them, they just missed.
The use of uncrewed vessels is not new. Fire ships were used as far back as AD 208 and regularly ever since, though fire ships are normally crewed until the final part of their journey. More recently Iran has built thousands of fast attack craft, some of which are autonomous. I deployed to the Gulf in command of a frigate that had an automated 30mm cannon fitted specifically to help defeat this threat. So, while its ideas have not been entirely new, Ukraine has moved this way of fighting along, combining better and better equipment with what is clearly an excellent intelligence picture.
There are four ways to defeat this sort of attack that Russian military planners will now be wrestling with.
The first, and always the best, is before it leaves the wall. If you can find the base and destroy that, then the problems of defeating the system at sea are rendered moot.
Second, as you do with missile systems, try to operate outside their maximum range. This isn’t simple for the Russians: the Magura V5 to name just one threat has an operating range of 200 nautical miles, which covers two thirds of the Black Sea.
Once you know you are under attack, the third is speed and manoeuvre – or running away to put it more simply. The Magura can do about 35 knots, so it’s faster than most warships, but in anything above a sea state three (waves taller than 1.25m) this speed advantage will disappear. The other advantage of manoeuvre is that if the vessel follows you as you do it, then you have now established intent and the gloves can come off.
Fourth is the obvious one – hard kill, that is shooting it with weapons. The issue here is one of numbers – how many of these things need to be coming at you before your systems are overwhelmed? This is where lasers, or other directed energy weapons, come into their own for those lucky enough to have them.
Fifth is soft kill – the ability to confuse or distract targeting systems, as with chaff and flares, or by jamming communications and/or sensors electronically. With offensive drone technology developing faster than defensive ways to destroy them, this is an area of focus for everyone right now, not just the Russians.
The trouble, as the Black Sea Fleet is finding, is that the minute you are tied up alongside, you lose nearly all of these advantages. You are now immobile and will only have a few of your weapons available – possibly none of them. These layers of defence now need to be provided by someone else, at significant cost.
The net result of the ‘pushing back’ of the Black Sea Fleet to the east is that the water between the Ukrainian port of Odesa and Snake Island is now fairly safe for merchant shipping. South of Snake Island, ships can remain in the territorial waters of Romania, Bulgaria and Turkey – all Nato members. This means that cargoes can be shipped between Odesa and the Bosporus strait, giving access to all the world’s oceans and markets.
:В западной прессе появляется все больше материалов, в которых журналисты и военные эксперты выражают мнение о бесперспективности дальнейших попыток Киева одержать военную победу над Россией:
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(Anonymous) 2023-12-12 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)... и нажорист как капитан конс цыпа
Консцыпия не трожь!
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(Anonymous) 2023-12-12 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)Какие плечи! что за Геркулес!..
А сам покойник мал был и щедушен,
Здесь, став на цыпочки, не мог бы руку
До своего он носу дотянуть.
Когда за подворотней мы сошлись,
Наткнулся мне на ножик он и замер,
Как на булавке стрекоза - а был
Он горд и смел - и дух имел зловонный...
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англичанка задрожала
(Anonymous) 2023-12-12 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)https://topwar.ru/232048-the-telegraph-rossija-priblizhaetsja-k-sokrushitelnoj-pobede.html
В западной прессе появляется все больше материалов, в которых журналисты и военные эксперты выражают мнение о бесперспективности дальнейших попыток Киева одержать военную победу над Россией. При этом авторы статей предупреждают о крайне тяжелом положении, в которое могут попасть союзники Украины.
Аналогичный материал недавно вышел в британской газете The Telegraph. При этом заголовок говорит сам за себя: «Путинская Россия приближается к сокрушительной победе. Устои Европы дрожат».
Автор статьи - британский лорд Дэниэль Ханнан констатирует, что контрнаступление ВСУ, на которое так рассчитывали союзники Киева, включая Британию, полностью провалилось из-за того, что российские войска успели выстроить надежную линию обороны. В итоге, сегодня военные технологии благоприятствуют обороняющимся.
Как и в 1914 году, по всей длине фронта, от дельты Днепра до российской границы, проходит укрепленная линия - пишет Ханнан.
Эксперт подчеркивает, что союзники Украины, несмотря на неучастие в конфликте, довольно сильно в него «вложились». Поэтому, победа России в текущем противостоянии, в том числе, очень сильно ударит по репутации коллективного Запада.
Более того, автор считает, что любое перемирие, заключенное на условиях России, станет катастрофическим для НАТО, продемонстрировав всему миру неспособность альянса спасти страну, которую обязались защищать два его самых могущественных члена, США и Великобритания.
Re: англичанка задрожала
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Re: англичанка задрожала
(Anonymous) 2023-12-12 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)Not in the leasr
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/08/ukraine-russia-war-black-sea-corridor-naval-victory/
Millions of tons of grain to feed the world's hungry shipped out via Snake Island
Back in October I cautiously suggested that the tide was turning in the battle for the Black Sea and that Russia, hit repeatedly by innovative and daring attacks, was then withdrawing ships ever further east in an uncoordinated and undignified manner.
Two months later, and with something approaching freedom of navigation for commercial shipping restored in the western Black Sea, it is possible to point to this as a fairly major success story in an otherwise attritional conflict.
Ukraine has mixed up its tactics well. ‘Normal’ anti-ship missiles, cruise missiles, special forces and maritime drones have all been used to keep the Russian Navy guessing.
There have been notable successes along the way with perhaps the most totemic being the sinking of the Black Sea flagship Moskva on 14 April 2022. Putting up a drone to track and distract Moskva worked so well, the position of the ship’s fire control radars as she sank suggests the Russians may not have seen the actual missiles coming at all.
October 2022 saw the first multiple unmanned attack with both air and sea drones surging into Sevastopol and damaging the Admiral Makarov.
In September this year, Sevastopol was hit again. Ukrainian special forces took out Russian S400 air defence radars, allowing UK-supplied Storm Shadow missiles to hit and damage a Kilo-class submarine, an amphibious craft and the dry docks in which they were berthed. Shortly after, the headquarters to which the leadership had retreated was hit, killing 33.
This forced many Russian vessels to leave Sevastopol and relocate to Novorossiysk in pre-2014 Russia. A ship is a web of networked logistics that reaches far inland. You can’t just leave all this behind without disruption. What I can only imagine were embarrassing discussions were then held about building an entirely new base in Georgia. British Armed Forces Minister James Heappey described it ‘the functional defeat of the Black Sea Fleet’.
Attacks continued using French supplied SCALP missiles (SCALP and Storm Shadow are the same weapon under different names – a lightly updated version of the 1980s French APACHE runway-buster fitted with a British bunker-buster warhead). Early last month, a SCALP strike damaged one of Russia’s newest Kalibr cruise missile firing corvettes, the Askold, and also the infrastructure in which she was being built.
Having been forced back, Russia is now having to expend significant resources in providing layered defence to stop the waves of attacks. On 10 November this failed when two more ships were sunk in Chornomorske, Crimea, this time by Magura V5 drone boats. The Russians saw them coming and fired plenty of rounds at them, they just missed.
The use of uncrewed vessels is not new. Fire ships were used as far back as AD 208 and regularly ever since, though fire ships are normally crewed until the final part of their journey. More recently Iran has built thousands of fast attack craft, some of which are autonomous. I deployed to the Gulf in command of a frigate that had an automated 30mm cannon fitted specifically to help defeat this threat. So, while its ideas have not been entirely new, Ukraine has moved this way of fighting along, combining better and better equipment with what is clearly an excellent intelligence picture.
There are four ways to defeat this sort of attack that Russian military planners will now be wrestling with.
The first, and always the best, is before it leaves the wall. If you can find the base and destroy that, then the problems of defeating the system at sea are rendered moot.
Second, as you do with missile systems, try to operate outside their maximum range. This isn’t simple for the Russians: the Magura V5 to name just one threat has an operating range of 200 nautical miles, which covers two thirds of the Black Sea.
Once you know you are under attack, the third is speed and manoeuvre – or running away to put it more simply. The Magura can do about 35 knots, so it’s faster than most warships, but in anything above a sea state three (waves taller than 1.25m) this speed advantage will disappear. The other advantage of manoeuvre is that if the vessel follows you as you do it, then you have now established intent and the gloves can come off.
Fourth is the obvious one – hard kill, that is shooting it with weapons. The issue here is one of numbers – how many of these things need to be coming at you before your systems are overwhelmed? This is where lasers, or other directed energy weapons, come into their own for those lucky enough to have them.
Fifth is soft kill – the ability to confuse or distract targeting systems, as with chaff and flares, or by jamming communications and/or sensors electronically. With offensive drone technology developing faster than defensive ways to destroy them, this is an area of focus for everyone right now, not just the Russians.
The trouble, as the Black Sea Fleet is finding, is that the minute you are tied up alongside, you lose nearly all of these advantages. You are now immobile and will only have a few of your weapons available – possibly none of them. These layers of defence now need to be provided by someone else, at significant cost.
The net result of the ‘pushing back’ of the Black Sea Fleet to the east is that the water between the Ukrainian port of Odesa and Snake Island is now fairly safe for merchant shipping. South of Snake Island, ships can remain in the territorial waters of Romania, Bulgaria and Turkey – all Nato members. This means that cargoes can be shipped between Odesa and the Bosporus strait, giving access to all the world’s oceans and markets.
Re: англичанка задрожала
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